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Useless

Back in June, I posted on the topic of friendship. More specifically about women’s friendships, though I’m curious about men’s friendships, too (and would love their input if they read this).

I mentioned how difficult it is to make new friends at my older age. Since then, I decided to join an over-50 women’s get-together group on facebook.

Seriously, what has gotten into this world? I know we’re all from different generations, but I don’t remember my grandmothers behaving like those women on facebook.

My Grandma

Here’s my experience with and observations of the group.

First, women from all over the world are in the group. If you’d like to meet some of them in person, it’s difficult to find someone to “get together” with that is local.

Second, people who newly join, introduce themselves. I introduced myself twice and didn’t get one single response.

Third, I decided to read some of the conversations in the group to see if I could join one and meet people that way. Many of the conversations were divorced women over the age of fifty complaining about men. Either that, or they were whining about what they called an abusive husband they’d been married to for thirty years  . . .  and are still married!

I came across one woman who said she tried making get-together plans with a couple of women who never followed through.

I understand there are apps for people to meet friends similar to dating apps. Could I put in a criteria? Because, seriously, if I met up with someone who all they did was complain about men, I’d have to walk right out in the middle of a conversation.

Maybe I’m too picky. Sure, I’d like a friend who I can confide in and vent to on frustrating days (and vice versa). But constant man-hating is not my thing. I love men. In fact, I’m starting to wonder if I get along better with men.

Here are three criteria I’d absolutely need in friends. 1) I’d like them to have similar values. I mean, they wouldn’t have to be exactly the same, but would at least have to have integrity. You know, mean what they say and say what they mean. 2) I’d really like us to have the same sense of humor so we could laugh together. Humor and laughter is very important to me. This would also mean they can’t be easily offended. These days, humor seems to be dying out because of “the offended.” 3) I’d need to be able to trust them, and that sort of goes back to values and integrity.

I get along with my blogging friends, most of whom live in different states and even countries.

In the end, it turned out to be a useless Facebook group.

If any men read this, are you able to sustain male friendships? Men’s friendships seem so much easier. Not so many complications or as much drama as women.

22 thoughts on “Useless”

  1. I feel closer to the friends who live hundreds of miles away than I do to anyone nearer to home. And I agree with you, I definitely wouldn’t rely on Facebook to make friends. I think friendship is something that developes naturally. I just haven’t been lucky enough or maybe I’m not the kind of person that makes friends easily.

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    1. Hi Sue. You’re right, I do think friendship is something that develops naturally. It appears that I may also be the kind of person who doesn’t make friends easily. I’m a straightforward person, so maybe that’s uncomfortable for some people. For example, if I got together with someone from that fb group who kept complaining about men, I’d likely point that out to the person.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hope you’re enjoying your weekend. It’s a beautiful September Saturday.

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  2. I read a quotation just today that I failed to write down but it went just about like this:
    “The faker you are the larger your circle of friends. The more real you are the smaller your circle of friends will be.
    The thing is that in our current society a lot of people are willing to take things, like friendship, but are unwilling, unable or “too busy” to return it. And of course “too busy” is but a pseudonym for not giving a flying fig.
    I’m not the right person to ask about male friendships. I’ve been a loner all my 70+ years, though I’m still with my wonderful wife of 55 years and I guess having one or two really close friends is enough of you really invest in those few relationships.

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    1. Thank you, Peter, for taking the time to post a comment filled with wisdom. I do like that quote, considering I’ve often posted about how I don’t know how to be fake. Yeah, I’ll blame it on not being fake. 😉 I checked out your blog, and it looks like you and your wife are enjoying your retirement years with travel (when you can). I am blessed to have a very good, giving man as my husband of 38 years, and hope we can do the same one day. He doesn’t have male friendships other than golfing buddies. He’s closest with his younger brother, and they mostly talk about cars and building stuff. Thanks again for the thoughtful comment.

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  3. Making friends is hard. Finding people who follow through is hard. I thought my old neighbor and I were friends but as soon as I move I didn’t hear from her. We only got together is I did the asking. I got tired of that and haven’t seen her in two years. I have a small group of former work friends and we have dinner once a month to catch up. My husband and I have a game group (4 couples) that we meet once a month too (although our interest in that is waning — our commonalities don’t seem to jive anymore). My “closest” are a few neighbors here and my blogging friends. I have met 2 bloggers but neither are local so it’s rare. It’s a lot easier when you work.

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    1. Hi Kate. Yes, I’ve run into the same things with making local friends. Trouble getting them to commit or even show interest in getting together. Don’t you get together with some nice women to play a card game or something of the like? You’re right, it was easier when working, although then there was office drama I didn’t care for. Perhaps it’s that once we’re over 50 we get set in our ways, and like you said, “commonalities don’t seem to jive?” 🤷‍♀️ My mom makes friends at her assisted living facility pretty easily, but there’s a lot of gossip and drama there.
      Thanks for sharing about your friendships.

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            1. The description of your last neighborhood sounds like my present neighborhood. And, we are from different cultures here. My neighborhood in Florida was friendlier with just my few immediate neighbors. We spent lots of time talking outside, since it never got cold, and we got invited to their celebrations. However, there were some crazies in that FL neighborhood, too, which I wrote about on my blog back in the day.

              Neighborhood Secrets

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  4. I have three female friends of very longstanding, and two relatively newer ones, one male, one female, that I’ve known for six and five years respectively. They are all spread over the two western provinces and one territory though, so the distances and times between visits are pretty huge.

    The man among the group is young enough to be my son but he and I get on really well, and with M, too (sometimes age isn’t a factor, I guess). Our friendship started when he began working for me but is based on similar interests; we love cooking, wine and travel and we intersect across quite a few other similarities, as well. He frequently runs things past us, life choices and decisions, and I suppose we’re a bit parental but without any of the baggage. It’s a different relationship and one that we’re really glad to have.

    Your questions have come up for me before as well. I like men too (and worked in a very male-dominated industry although that has been gradually changing) and I also don’t understand the constant griping. I had a really bad relationship and divorced the guy. I blogged about it until my residual emotions died off and that was that. I am very happily married now.

    Men do seem to get on without all the drama (although my young friend T says that there’s plenty of ghosting and other drama among his male friends; he told me about some that he recently experienced). M has known his friends for decades now, he can go years without seeing them and nothing changes.

    Sorry I’ve gone on a bit here and haven’t come to a conclusion. The conventional wisdom is that the older you get, the more difficult it is to make friends, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I’m an introvert and am older and have still made friends. I think it might be more accurate to say that it takes longer. Patience is a virtue?🙂 One thing I do know (just realised it, actually) is that when I’ve made good friends, I’ve been open but not looking.

    Good questions, Lori.,

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    1. I appreciate you sharing your life and friendships, Lynette. These are the kinds of things I’d love to have friends tell me about. And of course, we’re friends. I think what Crystal said is probably right – local friendships are harder. I do understand having that younger male friend. I tend to get along with men better these days. Maybe it’s because I’m done with all the youthful dramas. And yes, you divorced a guy that you needed to get some time and space from those emotions. That’s understandable. The women in the fb group were bashing ALL men. Instead of looking at why they might be attracting all the wrong men and how to change that.

      Though your younger male friend says there is drama, I’m doubtful that men over 50 have much drama. Married or not. To me, by the time men AND women are over 50, we should have matured enough not to create so much drama. Not that there won’t be any, but it’d be likely more health related drama. At least that’s the way it is for this ole’ lady. 😉

      Thanks again for sharing a piece of your life. 💗

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      1. You’re very welcome, Lori. I’ve enjoyed reading the responses from the other commenters, as well.

        I agree that by the time we’re in our 50s we should have outgrown the drama, but it seems to be a lifeblood for some, and it’s more predominant among women, I think.

        We’ve met our neighbours who like us are about to retire and also like a glass of wine and some good cooking. I’m hoping it continues. 🙂
        Good luck with your search. Yes, we are friends and if I lived closer would be asking you over for something Italian and a good red. 💛 Cheers.

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    1. Yeah, me too. I don’t think men have drama like women. Do men over 50 spend their time getting together complaining about women? Maybe a few, but not many. Without their input, who knows? 🤷‍♀️

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  5. I grew up in a small town and just happened to keep in touch with friends from elementary school. None of us live there now, and we’re scattered across the country, but we maintain friendships somehow.

    Local friendships are harder. But I have a circle of writing friends. We meet once a month. Also, I’ve been going to a dance class once a week. All of that takes some putting yourself out there.

    “…in a way—nobody sees a flower—really—it is so small—we haven’t time—and to see takes time like to have a friend takes time.” —Georgia O’Keeffe

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    1. Hi Crystal. I replied to your comment and I don’t see it showing up on my blog. I don’t know where it went, so I’m going to try again. Sorry if this is a repeat.

      You are fortunate to have kept in touch with your childhood friends. I have my one friend who lived next door to me growing up and have known practically since birth. She is like me in that we’re loyal to each other. When I lived in Florida I had my writer’s critique group, and I still join their meetings via video chat from Illinois now. But, I think you’re right, local friendships are harder. I’d like some friends to get together with at Starbucks or for a glass of wine somewhere to chat and laugh. Thanks for sharing about your friendships and for the precious quote, Crystal.

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        1. Yeah, moving is tough. I had a whole slew of friends when I was in my twenties and moved from my hometown Chicago to Florida. Didn’t make many friends, and those I did make didn’t stick around long (accept one). Then moved back home after a quarter of a century with only one childhood friend left (the neighbor I mentioned). I’ve been getting out a lot this summer, but in the winter I’ve been hibernating more than usual since Covid. I think that virus also caused part of the problem as well. Glad you’re getting out.

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